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i'm he michael shure. these are "the young turks"." eliot spitzer is next meet gobble founder, sergey brin, and his wife anne wojcicki? their first-ever interview together. >> what are you wearing? >> they are google glass. i just took a picture of you. >> how do i know? >> i'll email them to you. >> he did email them and then i got to tried them out for myself. sergey is actually -- this is what our life is like. sometimes i yell at him, like stop taking my picture. [ laughter ] >> google just released this google glasses video, shot by someone jumping on a trampoline.
and also a self driving car. >> i think it can really revolutionize people's lives if you are disabled or have issues with your eyesight if you are young, cold there is a whole host of people who today can't really get around. >> and providing access to your own genetic information. and finally the lighter side of the first family of tech. sergey talks about why living in a zeppelin is the living space of the future. >> then we wouldn't have to live in one spot. >> when i was like eight month's pregnant, i wanted to by an outfit for my unborn child, and he was very upset because he
wasn't sure that the child should wear clothes. >> a full hour with sergey and ann starts right now. ♪ [ theme music ] ♪ >> hi, and welcome to the show. it's my pleasure to introduce today's guests, they are among the change makers and global inflew inflew inflew -- inflew ensers. what are you wearing? >> it's google glass. it's another project i'm working on. the idea is that you want to be free to experience the world without fussing with like a phone. for example, just now i have already taken a picture of you. if i had whipped out a phone
like this and this would have been very different. >> how do i know you not making that up? >> i'll email it to you. >> literally you are able to see the image you just photographed? >> yeah. let's take a look. >> what is it -- >> you don't have to push anything? what did you do to make that work? >> here you go. operating it backwards is not something i'm used to. don't touch the pad on this side. >> all right. >> there it is. that's somebody's finger -- and then you push the button. >> fascinating. and you zoom right in. >> yeah. >> amazing. so this is something you guys have been working on at google for how long? >> two or three years now. but i have been much more involved just in the past year. >> is this part of the google x?
>> exactly. google x is now my primary focus are google. but it's sort of an advanced skunk works. people i think have considered the notion of, you know, replacing the phone or computer or whatever with something that's really easy to access that doesn't inhibit you. it's pretty far off. it frees my hands. it frees my eyes. >> and when do you think those things will start being commercially available. a two year, five ten year project? >> these are still rough prototypes. i have some hopes to maybe it get it out sometime next year but that's still a bit of a hope. >> is this where you are still spending most of your time? >> yeah. >> and google plus i imagine you are spending much time there as
well. >> i spent time -- it's sort of an experiment using google plus with this kind of device and i'm happy to hang out and chat with vick, but my primary efforts are around google x. we tend to have stuff that is more physical. it's fun for me because i have spent most of my life spending on stuff like that. >> recently you closed the deal on mobility with motorola, are you still involved in those substantive -- are you still strategically involved. i know larry is now ceo, but are you involved in those core decisions still? >> first of all, that one got made a long time ago. it's just the cycle to close took a long time but -- i mean i'm definitely at the top executive meetings for those kinds of things but i actually
try not to really involve myself much unless i feel really strongly about it. because i want to make sure -- first of all i'm spending my time and energy on these kind of projects, and i want to make sure that larry has the space to see his vision through. >> you and larry are still close? >> yeah. >> it's a remarkable thing, isn't it? to have two founders that are still close personal friends. >> yes. >> and you are close with his family as well. >> yeah. >> he and i are trying to do a boys weekend coming up. >> is he busy now? >> he is quite busy. he is very busy. i feel bad kind of. like good job. [ laughter ] >> 26 years in the making, anne process to providing information
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daytime. >> just getting you together. you have two kids now. >> yeah. >> and you are traveling all over the place. you have your own career 23andme. and it is growing and growing and growing. and what is it? >> 23andme is the ability for you to get access to all of your genetic information and learn about health and the ancestry that relates to you. find out if you are high-risk for something, high-risk for breast cancer you might be genetically inclined to not respond to certain kinds of drugs. so common drugs, maybe you shouldn't take because they may not respond. so it's you learning all about you, and then there is an
accessory component. we have similar background and we're a little bit related. >> i'll never forget one of the most frightening experiences i have ever had was being in switzerland with you after a cocktail with a lot of red wine consumed, and i walk in the back, and there you are with everyone spitting in these little vials. red spit. >> yes. >> you spit in a tube we send a kit. you just spit, takes five to ten minutes, you send it into a lab, and then roughly two weeks later, you get an email that says your dna is available for you. every single week new discoveries are being made.
so your dna is the platform them for us to keep evolving new and new features on the ancestry and health side that are all about you. >> so you get the results back and they say what you have predisposition to for example parkinson's. >> everyone is going to be different. survey had a family history of parkinson's. there was a gene found associated to be a high-risk for parkinson's. we included that on our chip and sergey actually is -- [ laughter ] >> this is what our life is like -- sometimes i yell at him, like stop taking my picture. [ laughter ] >> it's kind of cute. >> it's great for the kids. >> it has got to be. >> because you can keep playing with them, so your hands are free. and they are looking at you
rather -- if you stick someone in front of them -- >> the challenge is how do you manage all of these photos. we were driving and i could see him going -- >> that's how you click, huh? >> no that was something else. but you have a lot of other things, time, and messages and stuff like that. >> so literally you spat in this vial, and then she comes back with results because of 23andme. that's how you found out about this mutated gene? >> yeah. >> that pushed you into the cause right now because your mother and aunt had been diagnosed as well, right? >> my mother and her aunt. but i never thought much of it because it wasn't -- it's not -- at the time it is definitely not considered a hereditary disease. and more -- i was always supportive of my wife's company
and stuff, but it's fun get some dna things -- >> yeah, go tell your friends, right. >> yeah. and it was -- it was actually an aunt's incite as the research started to come out on this particular gene and mutation that i have, that she went back in the data and looked carefully, because it was a very rare thing. >> everyone told us there's no way he has it. >> huh. and that's the experts or doctors -- >> experts. i couldn't get a physician to actually test him for it. >> because it was a waste of thyme -- >> it was like what would you do? how would it change your life. so that becomes a question. for sergey it obviously impacted his life. we donate a lot of money to
michael j fox. and we change our behavior. >> anne gives me a foot massage every day. [ laughter ] >> there's some really good research on that. [ laughter ] [overlapping speakers] >> uh-huh. so i mean have you really changed your behavior that much? >> yeah so -- so then, anne digs this up and says you know you should look at this and i was kind of like really? you know, and then i started looking at the data separately we did -- a confirmed sequence and it confirmed both my mother and i carried this particular mutation. but it wasn't -- i didn't like -- i didn't really panic me for anything. if one thing i really felt like i still have a lot of control.
lots of time. in my case i have a lot of resources to bring to bare on the research. >> right. >> but i also was able to adjust my lifestyle. i became much more -- i had always been relatively athletic, but i started doing a lot more exercise. and i started drinking coffee. >> you weren't even touching it before? >> no, and it took me actually from the time i decided to start drinking coffee it look me probably two or three years before i -- >> a lot of experimenting. >> because i find the taste, you know, it's really bitter but i finally found -- anne's friend opened this cafe that has particularly nice coffee and i have gotten into it. and yeah -- anyway there are a bunch of things they kind of thought about with my lifestyle
that could really make a big difference. >> you stepped in -- you mentioned the michael j fox foundation. you have contributed over $120 million. >> yeah 120, 130 something like that. >> we found out and decided we're going to try to deploy all of this money specifically towards this mutation, but we're not sure we are going to fine enough projects. and now a number of pharmaceutical companies all have initiatives going in this area. and there's tons of money. >> yeah, within parkinson's specifically concentrating on the mutation i carry. it could potentially treat all parkinson's cases but the fact there is this genetic bit is
really huge incite and a good foe cushion for research. >> and one of the things 23andme found because we look at people like sergey and select people randomly, and we find people who have the same mutation as sergey and are over 65 but don't have parkinson's disease. so they have the high-risk gene but they don't have the disease. and there is another gene that looks like it potentially protects people from developing parkinson's, so we're seeing if that could be a drug at some point. >> five, ten times from now, will we be to the point where you get an aspirin that is designed for your unique genetic makeup? >> yes. this year there is a drug for
cystic fibrosis that came out, and very, very focused drugs for a very specific type of genetic cause of disease, and i think that's exactly the transition that is going to happen instead of going to the doctor and assessing, and say what are you symptoms it will be entirely molecular based. we'll have a real molecular understanding of what is going on in you and then treat that. >> in the past that was extraordinarily expensive. >> even a couple of years ago, you had people playing a million dollars. three years ago you had people paying that much money -- >> today what do you pay -- >> it's $300 it's a significant part of your geno. >> where do you get that help?
it was nice that sergey was able to come back to you, but the average person that takes advantage of this and they find out they have a predisposition to parkinson's or something else, is there a component that allows you to connect with other individuals -- >> yes, we're a special network with a purpose. all of these people learn about themselves and then they want to learn from each other. so you have ancestry side trying to find lost relatives, and we find the same thing on the disease side. there's an very active community on parkinson's. and they talk about it in the community. so people go there with a very specific reason, because they might will at risk and you are all trying to prevent this together, and the more data that all of those people give us, the
more 23andme and other researchers can make discoveries to understand how to treat this in the future. next sergey explains why cars don't need drivers and how google's solution to your parking problems may be one of the company's most ambitious projects to date. >>the guys in the middle class the guys in the lower end got screwed again. >>i think you know which one we're talking about. the overwhelming majority of the country says"tax the rich, don't go to war." >>just wanted to clarify that. a great tasting mint core, frosted in powerful cooling crystals. ice breakers frost. feel the frost.
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♪ california has always been a leader when it comes to innovation and silicon valley is exception. google's special research vision, google x has been working for years on a much-rumored self driving car. recently the california senate passed a bill allowing for self-driving cars on its roads. and sergey tells me his own experience with the cars has been seamless. these hands-free cars make commutes much less stressful and
effective. cars will drop passengers off in front of their destination, and fine their own way home or give someone else a lift. of course it will take some time to hammer out all of the safety and legal implications. but it appears that california is ready to embrace this technology. >> ai, cars that don't need drivers. is that real? i know the california legislature is now allowing these vehicles on streets, because there were laws prohibit prohibiting people from not using the steering wheel, and breaks. >> the horses youed to back up themselves. >> that's a good point.
>> yeah, i'm really excited about that project. that is a little bit more ambitious than some. and i think it can really revolutionize people's lives, and obviously if you are -- you know disabled if you have issues with your eyesight or something like that. if you are young or old, there is a whole host of people who can't get around. and in the valley around here your only option is really cars. >> sure. >> but then you think about all of your time that you spending, you know commuting place to place, you know, as the driver and how much of your attention and effort that commands and, you know we have been -- i have spent a tremendous amount of time driving cars, and i took it out on the highway and pushed a
button that says, you know okay, you take over. and this was a while ago, and it felt nice, and i was like -- okay a few minutes later you it says you need to take over in a couple of minutes because it didn't know the route or something. and i was like what? no, you drive. i got used to it so quickly that the notion -- it is a very different feeling. but moreover let me tell you another really interesting aspect, and from your school days you probably remember how challenging parking is, or for a person to park -- and how much -- look outside, look at all of the asphalt, and you go to the suburbs and corporate parks, it's all asphalts. well, with the self driving car
it drops you off and takes somebody else somewhere else and you don't need parking. >> good point. and you just whistle or something and it comes. >> yeah. and if you didn't want to park a lot of these somewhere for some reason, you can stack them together really tight. >> this is all coming out of google, huh? this is all part -- >> this is x. >> all part of google x. >> yeah. >> you are also now exploring the frontiers of space. the lunar ex-prize. >> yeah. in terms of supporting space flight and a robot that would bring back videos. there is all kindsover rumors coming out of google x. i almost describe you sort of as a cia, no one knows exactly where it is or who works there. is that exaggerated? >> no, no cia at the moment.
no, we just really want to sort of push technology, you know in areas where we feel that it's -- you know sort of -- it needs somewhat of a push, but it's achievable and will make a really big difference to people's thoughts and i think this transportation issue is a really big one. >> sure. >> there is also the issue of safety, we have 40,000 fatalities in the u.s. every year due to cars. >> and is this because cameras and sensors are becoming more available and cheaper? >> the sensors have improved. we primarily use laser scanners rather than cameras, but, yeah the computation power of course is getting incredible but then there is a lot of algorithmic
work. and the safety is a challenge. >> even the automobile industry are they on the leading edge of this, or are you guys? why isn't gm chevrolet pushing this? >> there are some companies that have done some work and mostly like mercedes, mbw, they are done more work. some of the mercedes will stop themselves before you crash into whatever you were going to crash into. and that's a huge feature. you have to think about well why did they omit that feature before. but i understand it's technically difficult, so i think companies are making progress, but they tend to be more incremental. we're not a car company. we're working on the self driving piece of the technology,
and therefore -- we're taking a bolder approach. >> in our next segment with sergey and anne the importance of freedom of information, plus sergey's take on why google help failed. >>i'm an outsider in the inside. [ male announcer ] cookies with smooth caramel and chocolate. ♪ ♪ hmm twix. also available in peanut butter.
(vo) every week night, cenk uygur calls out the mainstream media. >> overwhelming majority of the country says tax the rich, don't go to war. ♪ you guys started your own foundation. what else? i mean obviously the parkinson's is front and center what are your own passions as it relates to philanthropy? >> uh-huh. >> i think -- yeah -- wikipedia, freedom of information, human rights, global freedom kinds of things. we just sponsored this -- the ozwell freedom form where lots
of human rights activists around the world get together and award prizes. i think it's an amazing time in terms of some freedom around the world. we just had the arab spring. the egyptian presidential elections going on as we speak or something. >> yeah. >> and i -- i do think that -- you know, i kind of talk before about how the internet is going to spread information, and be free and happy, but i think that's actually true. we are starting to see that because you can't really suppress information in today's day and age. >> [ inaudible ] was a good example for google. and the reality is there. and suppressing information and security issues, right? >> uh-huh. >> ultimately the power of the technology ultimately prevails. is that it? >> look there are many nuances
in different countries and many different situations but i have become convinced kinding of over -- especially the last two years, seeing the formed societies and the benefits of the transparency of communication to people all over the world. it's really amazing. >> what did wikileaks represent to you? the whole idea that google talks about, and stewart brand talked about, information wants to get out and be free. is that what wikileaks represented? are we moving in a world of true transparency in the broadest sense. >> the ability to spread information around the world is one piece. but the wikileaks is potentially secret information, and a lot of
people have hard feelings about that. but the net effect from people all around the world leading these diplomatic cables was a much greater understanding of what was going on around the world. quite honestly i was impressed what the real honest assessment is, and i'm sure not all of them are accurate but it presents like much more frank view of the world. now i'm sure these folks job is now harder because now every time they write something they have to think twice. i think people all too often horde and protect information, and i'm guilty of it and google is guilty of it. we're like oh no that's very secret or whatever. what these glasses are doing right now. you can't show them to anybody
they are still prototype. you know. >> right. >> there is this tendency to be very protective and yet there could there a huge benefit. >> where do you see in the future in terms of solving some of these health crises specifically. are we still in our infant stage in terms of our utilization of the health smear? >> i think. >> i think what has hurt health care is we were underpowered with data. they have all of this data but it has really never been analyzed, and we never really incorporated that data with really important things like your genetics.
we're just at the point where that is going to start to happen. and it's the vision of 23andme for you have millions and millions of people involved and learning about their genetics. and it will be a massive data problem. and that's where the likes of google will come in. that's a lot of data for us to start to compute on if i'm going to compare you with another million individuals. so we're already starting to get to that point right now, for a lot of the biotech companies, it's a data management problem. but if you can change through that, you'll really start to have a genetic basis. >> and google health there was fits and starts and pulling back now? is that right? >> no, that was one of the
efforts that we did shut down. sort of -- i guess it was part of our extended spring cleaning. [ overlapping speakers ] >> scream and yell at you over this? >> no, i think health -- i think we underestimated the social and regulatory challenges of health. like i don't think it's really technology problem per se like it's just very complicated ecosystem, very complicated policies around it. very complicated motivations for all parties. i think -- you know, it was -- >> not really a consumer market. >> it's very different. >> i think that's actually what 23andme has tried to do. we're not part of the health care system. we go straight to the consumer and that's part of the reason why we don't go to the physician and get involved in reimbursement or insurance
providers, because once you are in that system it is really sticky, and it's you. you own your data but if i go to your insurance company there are all sorts of problems to come. so it's a very different approach. i think google health had potential, if you are going to bring together all of this information, it is going to become a data issue. and that's where you are going to need massive computing power. in our final moments with sergey and anne why he thinks living in a zeppelin is a good idea, and why she still thinks their kids need clothes.
so, you guys grew up together. yes, since third grade... what are you lookin' at? not looking at i anything... we're not good enough for you. must be supermodels? what do you model gloves? brad, eat a snickers. why? 'cause you get a little angry when you're hungry. better? [ male announcer ] you're not you when you're hungry™. better. [ male announcer ] snickers satisfies. as a culinary manager i make sure our guests have an over the top experience. being hands on is key! i make sure every plate looks just right. [ male announcer ] don't miss red lobster's four course seafood feast, just $14.99. start with soup, salad and unlimited cheddar bay biscuits followed by your choice of one of 7 entrees. like new coconut and pineapple shrimp or shrimp and scallops alfredo. then finish with something sweet. all four courses just $14.99. [ reza ] it's so much food for such a good value. i'm reza, culinary manager. and i sea food differently.
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>> he can come over periodically. your parents will allow him. seriously i can only imagine being in your situation, where, you know, you don't have the privacy and anonymity you once had, and in a world where everybody wants to know about everybody and everything, it has to be difficult. >> the biggest thing for me is there is only 24 hours in the day. when i was young and single i just worked all the time and go hang out with my friends, or whatever. it never really occurred to me i would have to -- sorry i don't have time to do those things or not as much. and, you know, when you are at some important projects at work and -- and anne and my time together and our -- our kids and, you know, exercise and hobby's -- >> it's hard. >> you have to start to be more
selective. >> doesn't technology supposed to free us to have more time. >> i can work from home a lot. i can actually be with the kids. answer emails, do calls. so i do think that that -- >> that's a bit libber at itting. what do you do to relax? what do you do for fun? >> we travel. >> travel. >> a fair amount. >> i think the basics. it's nice to be with the kids. >> we spend time with family and the kids. >> take walks. >> oh you do not take walks. [ laughter ] [ overlapping speakers ] >> when she was like seven months pregnant she drags me and our dogs on this hike that was
so gruelling -- the dogs kind of passed out. [ laughter ] >> i had to help get the dogs back to the car -- >> i would give him like on sample walk, and he is like -- >> it was like mount everest. >> but there is nothing better than the simplicities of life. we have family over we go swimming. we get coffee in the morning. >> lots of coffee. >> now i understand the coffee. what is the craziest idea he has come home with? what is the one where you go what is he thinking? or it is the one he is wearing right now? >> we -- we -- should we build a house at some point or -- or not, and sergey has always had this dream that we should just
live in a zeppelin. >> an air ship. >> and then we wouldn't actually need to live in one spot. we could just anchor it anywhere -- >> we could just show up and be like hey, we're right above you. >> we have actually argued about stuff like that. that kind of stuff happens all the time. this is one of the best -- on our -- when i was like eight month's pregnant i wanted to buy an outfit for our unborn child, and he was very upset, because he wasn't sure that the child should wear clothes. >> i feel like our children inherently will have too much stuff. you can have like a couple of outfits, but do you need like a thousand -- >> she wanted like thousands --
>> i see a zeppelin floating around the bay area. >> yeah, i have been involved with that project. it's definitely fun. it's a different sensation than planes or helicopters. it is much quieter -- >> it would be a nice house. it would be nice to visit -- >> but there's no backyard. >> you could just use everyone's backyard. >> put a parachute on the dog. >> for such a bad idea there's actually a commercial value it to. >> it takes a little adjusting. but usually you have to sit on the idea for a little while. and then go okay that's not such a bad idea. >> just in the final moments, the general sense of silicon valley there's a lot of exuberance, ipos, and not just facebook, but all of these
others, what is your sense comparing and contrasting where we were a decade ago to where we are today? things change dramatically? is there a more opportunistic time than it was in the past for start ups for folks to enter in to venture capital? what is your sense of where the valley is and where we're going? >> there's a pretty good feel right now of -- so many different things have started, been successful. and there's a -- like i was just with mark pinkus and things he wants to do and the philanthropy that he wants to get involved in. what is nice is you have a lot of incredibly successful individuals who want to do good. i think that's also where silicon valley is going to become a big mover for innovation. and you have people who have
made a lot of money, but then they want to do something good with it. i see that with a lot of people who have left google who then went on to taken initiatives and get education. so focus really on education and how are we going to move -- you know, bringing the whole academy to education worldwide. so i see a lot of really empowered do-gooders. so i think that's is what is going to happen next. >> interesting. do you think about that just the two of you, outside of obviously your success in your respective fields, but what about your own philanthropy as you focus on parkinson's now, what is your sense? >> well, we started and we do the philanthropy as i mentioned for parkinson's, and other rights related things. a lot of local charities.
but doing all of these things teaches us and is part of our education process. >> like immigration, both are us are recent immigrants and when i see some of the stuff that happens with immigration i would love to put more resources into making sure that is something that -- that we can help the immigrants coming in. >> yeah. >> best advice you ever received? >> larry actually -- larry gave me really great advise when i was on the wall street side and complaining about healthcare and i would complain and complain, and at some point larry got really annoyed, and he was like, look either you are part of the problem or you are fixing the problem, so look choose. because right now you are part of the problem. and that was a part of a slap. it's so easy to complain well
then fix it. do something. that's why i love sergey's mindset, there is always something that can do better, and i think that's been a huge influence. >> yeah, how about you sergey? what is some great advice you have received over the years? >> i think it's don't take yourself too seriously. i think that's certainly -- i have been very fortunate with google and a variety of endeavors, but a lot of it is just luck, and some people get very successful and they assume it's because they were so special, and yet there is a lot of luck there. >> i tell them that all the time. >> every day. >> take out the trash, you wake up early and take care of the kids. >> and go on long walks -- >> and go on long walks with me. >> speaking of time we're out of time. thank you both for being on the show. >> thank you. >> yeah, fun. >> great to see you gin.
>> sergey brin and anne wojcicki are a tough act to follow but if anyone can it's oliver stone. the visionary behind more than 20 big-budget movies. oliver stone has a lifetime of stories to tell. he is my guest next week, along with entrepreneur and visionary, who is the author of several best-selling books and finally my interview with tom friedman. that's next week's program. thanks for watching and be sure to continue the conversation on the web, you can find us on current.com, facebook, twitter, and google plus. ♪ >>the dominoes are starting to fall. (vo) granholm is live in the war
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